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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 6 months 3 days ago #79105

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The fact that so many christians think they are better than those in the LBGTQ is really sad. I think being homosexual or queer is a subconscious choice. It's not like someone wakes up one morning and says Hmm... I think I'm going to decide to be gay today. So, I do think it is a choice, but a subconscious one. Also, I don't think it is a sin to have feeling for the same sex, but I do think it is a sin to act on those feelings. Obviously, God loves them all, and doesn't discriminate between us and them, so we shouldn't either.
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PS. My former teacher always says that God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

*facepalm* "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" is so cliche....
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 6 months 3 days ago #79116

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I completely agree with inspiredthinker. Practicing gays will not be in heaven , but it doesn't mean gays can't be saved.


Now, some people are born gays... because I have a gay uncle... and he was definitely born gay. You see, his mom got sick or something when she was pregnant with him, and she had to take some hormones... and he got messed up. He even started developing breasts at some point. So yeah, there are a few cases of that.

But I think the majority of the time it is a subconscious choice. The influences and the enviroment that a young child grows up in can influence it to be homosexual. Also, prenatal influences are very powerful in forming the character of a child.

And another thing. Many kids don't know what true love is.
They might mistake their "straight" love for a fromiwnx of the same sex as romantic love. I have a friend that's like that I think. She is def straight, I have known her for ever, but she thinks she is bisexual...

So I think the majority of homos are homosexual by choice, whether they know it or not, but there are some who are born that way.
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I completely agree with inspiredthinker. Practicing gays will not be in heaven , but it doesn't mean gays can't be saved.


Now, some people are born gays... because I have a gay uncle... and he was definitely born gay. You see, his mom got sick or something when she was pregnant with him, and she had to take some hormones... and he got messed up. He even started developing breasts at some point. So yeah, there are a few cases of that.

But I think the majority of the time it is a subconscious choice. The influences and the enviroment that a young child grows up in can influence it to be homosexual. Also, prenatal influences are very powerful in forming the character of a child.

And another thing. Many kids don't know what true love is.
They might mistake their "straight" love for a fromiwnx of the same sex as romantic love. I have a friend that's like that I think. She is def straight, I have known her for ever, but she thinks she is bisexual...

So I think the majority of homos are homosexual by choice, whether they know it or not, but there are some who are born that way.
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Nobody said that we were better than homosexuals, but I do think it is a choice and a sin to act on those feelings. I still respect and love homosexuals.

InspiredThinker's comment, "We are no better than LGBT people if we aren't born again," (correctly) implies that many christians think they are better than those in the LGBTQ community

@MP137- Well maybe some do think that they are better, but I felt like you were pointing that comment at other people on this forum, like me, because we don't agree with homosexuals choices. It sounded to m like you thought I was saying that I was better than them, and I am not.
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Chickadee wrote:
I completely agree with inspiredthinker. Practicing gays will not be in heaven , but it doesn't mean gays can't be saved.


Now, some people are born gays... because I have a gay uncle... and he was definitely born gay. You see, his mom got sick or something when she was pregnant with him, and she had to take some hormones... and he got messed up. He even started developing breasts at some point. So yeah, there are a few cases of that.

But I think the majority of the time it is a subconscious choice. The influences and the enviroment that a young child grows up in can influence it to be homosexual. Also, prenatal influences are very powerful in forming the character of a child.

And another thing. Many kids don't know what true love is.
They might mistake their "straight" love for a fromiwnx of the same sex as romantic love. I have a friend that's like that I think. She is def straight, I have known her for ever, but she thinks she is bisexual...

So I think the majority of homos are homosexual by choice, whether they know it or not, but there are some who are born that way.
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 6 months 3 days ago #79185

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It wasn't a choice. It's not because gays and lesbians are lonely. It's because they were brought up and born in a way that led them to being attracted to the opposite gender. There's no problem with just not being sexually attracted to the opposite gender. According to God, on the other hand, it is unrighteous which I'm still wondering about because it doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's because of the mixed fabrics thing. It's on the thread about mixed fabrics I made. All I think is that, America should allow same-sex marriage because if America wants to be a fair and equal country it shouldn't ban something just because some religion says so, even if it is the right religion.
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Nobody said that we were better than homosexuals, but I do think it is a choice and a sin to act on those feelings. I still respect and love homosexuals.

InspiredThinker's comment, "We are no better than LGBT people if we aren't born again," (correctly) implies that many christians think they are better than those in the LGBTQ community

@MP137- Well maybe some do think that they are better, but I felt like you were pointing that comment at other people on this forum, like me, because we don't agree with homosexuals choices. It sounded to m like you thought I was saying that I was better than them, and I am not.

I said Christians, and "we" as christians. Sorry if you misunderstood me
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 6 months 3 days ago #79199

Being attracted to someone of the same gender is something that is in the brain...however, with God's strength, it can be overcome. The sin is when you act on those feelings.
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 6 months 3 days ago #79200

America should be free...but when people start putting their own laws and definitions over God...that shouldn't be overlooked. God gives us free will, but he still gave us rules to follow. That's because he loves us and wants the best for us.
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America should be free...but when people start putting their own laws and definitions over God...that shouldn't be overlooked. God gives us free will, but he still gave us rules to follow. That's because he loves us and wants the best for us.
Well these are American laws which should be upheld because there are also athiests and other religious groups in our country so we shouldn't subject them to our beliefs.
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 6 months 3 days ago #79326

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It wasn't a choice. It's not because gays and lesbians are lonely. It's because they were brought up and born in a way that led them to being attracted to the opposite gender. There's no problem with just not being sexually attracted to the opposite gender. According to God, on the other hand, it is unrighteous which I'm still wondering about because it doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's because of the mixed fabrics thing. It's on the thread about mixed fabrics I made. All I think is that, America should allow same-sex marriage because if America wants to be a fair and equal country it shouldn't ban something just because some religion says so, even if it is the right religion.
Jesus also said that merely looking at a wo/man with lust is akin to committing adultery. Your thoughts can be an indication of your spiritual state. Those who are lustful and those who are gay should both seek help from God and (if applicable) therapists/medical experts.

For me, it's simple.
Kleptomania is a mental condition. Stealing is a sin. Therefore, if I have kleptomania, I should pray and seek medical help.

Homosexuality is sometimes a mental condition (even if it isn't, treating it like one will still take care of the problem). Therefore, if I'm homosexual, I should pray and seek medical (or therapeutic) help.
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It wasn't a choice. It's not because gays and lesbians are lonely. It's because they were brought up and born in a way that led them to being attracted to the opposite gender. There's no problem with just not being sexually attracted to the opposite gender. According to God, on the other hand, it is unrighteous which I'm still wondering about because it doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's because of the mixed fabrics thing. It's on the thread about mixed fabrics I made. All I think is that, America should allow same-sex marriage because if America wants to be a fair and equal country it shouldn't ban something just because some religion says so, even if it is the right religion.
Come to Canada, we have same-sex marriage :P
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It wasn't a choice. It's not because gays and lesbians are lonely. It's because they were brought up and born in a way that led them to being attracted to the opposite gender. There's no problem with just not being sexually attracted to the opposite gender. According to God, on the other hand, it is unrighteous which I'm still wondering about because it doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's because of the mixed fabrics thing. It's on the thread about mixed fabrics I made. All I think is that, America should allow same-sex marriage because if America wants to be a fair and equal country it shouldn't ban something just because some religion says so, even if it is the right religion.
Come to Canada, we have same-sex marriage :P
I mean I'm not homosexual so I don't see why I would want to go lol
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It wasn't a choice. It's not because gays and lesbians are lonely. It's because they were brought up and born in a way that led them to being attracted to the opposite gender. There's no problem with just not being sexually attracted to the opposite gender. According to God, on the other hand, it is unrighteous which I'm still wondering about because it doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's because of the mixed fabrics thing. It's on the thread about mixed fabrics I made. All I think is that, America should allow same-sex marriage because if America wants to be a fair and equal country it shouldn't ban something just because some religion says so, even if it is the right religion.
Jesus also said that merely looking at a wo/man with lust is akin to committing adultery. Your thoughts can be an indication of your spiritual state. Those who are lustful and those who are gay should both seek help from God and (if applicable) therapists/medical experts.

For me, it's simple.
Kleptomania is a mental condition. Stealing is a sin. Therefore, if I have kleptomania, I should pray and seek medical help.

Homosexuality is sometimes a mental condition (even if it isn't, treating it like one will still take care of the problem). Therefore, if I'm homosexual, I should pray and seek medical (or therapeutic) help.
Well the problem with your first paragraph is that maybe there is some form of mild lust that is okay. I mean what if you were going to ask a girl on a date. Before the question wouldn't you think "Oh that girl's pretty and I love her personality." That's not a wrong thing to do. So how could be wrong for a homosexual to think, "I think that man is handsome but I won't act on it and I'll try to keep my mind off of it through God's help." It's not wrong to admit that you have had feelings for other males that you have put behind. I can see what you're trying to say and I almost fell for it because it's very convincing but there is a tiny problem with the statement.

The second paragraph about kleptomania is totally different in my opinion. Stealing is so different from being homosexual. Sure they may both be sins but there's a difference. Stealing is a sin that makes a lot of sense. You shouldn't take what others own that's just simple common sense and morality. But what's wrong with being homosexual? The only thing I can think of is then you guys wouldn't be able to reproduce. But there are already so many humans in this world so honestly, right now. If I were atheist I could see why stealing is wrong in God's eyes, but I couldn't see why for homosexuality. There two very different subjects. Homosexuality is a mental condition, it's a condition that takes over the sexual drives of a male or female, but it isn't a mental disease. It's not a bacteria or a defect. It's more like a condition honestly. But it's a more harmless condition this is why I'm so torn on this subject. It's harmless in that it doesn't lower the IQ of the mind, it doesn't allow them not to be able to control their body. The only thing is it doesn't allow them to make babies which is a defect but in the same way they can always adopt. I'm not saying homosexuality is good, but it should be accepted from America, since it's a free country, and people should recognize it's a condition people are born with or are grown up with.
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 5 months 2 weeks ago #80191

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"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28

Lust is strong sexual desire, so mild lust is kind of an oxymoron. I think the examples in your first paragraph describe attraction, but not lust. Lust is a purely physical feeling. And yes, it is not wrong to admit that you have had feelings for other males, or even that you still have feelings for them. God can instantly forgive you for any sins you've committed in the past, including lust, as long as you're sorry. Also, if you are seeking help from Him, you will become less and less inclined to commit those sins again.

I totally agree with your statement that homosexuality is not a disease. You'll notice I never said that it was in my first response. It is merely a condition. Also, sure an atheist wouldn't understand why homosexuality is a sin, but would they understand why breaking the Sabbath is a sin? Probably not.
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Homosexuality is indeed a condition, and because it's a condition you can seek therapy for it.
I also agree that America should allow homosexuality to preserve freedom, but I thought we were discussing whether or not it's a sin. There are plenty of sins that can seem harmless, like being gay, but in the end they are still sins and need to be dealt with. Fortunately forgiveness is readily available, and if the person is willing to work with God, He will transform them. It may take a lifetime, but they will come out all right in the end.
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P.S. Here's what is essentially wrong with homosexuality. For one thing the Bible calls it a sin, an abhorrence, in fact. It is a sin because it pollutes the sanctity of marriage. Marriage was specifically designed to create unity between a man and a woman. It will not naturally work between same sex couples (notice I said NATURALLY). Also, there are health problems connected with homosexuality. (I gave one example)
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Mp137 wrote:
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Coming Out ministries came to my school and my church!

PS. My former teacher always says that God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

*facepalm* "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" is so cliche....
Adam and Eve not Madam and Eve


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This is legit exactly what I did when I read this thread lol
Maybe it’s Madam and Steve.
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Also if someone doesn’t know the truth then they’re innocent but they’re responsible for what they know so if they know what they’re doing is wrong, but still do it i guess they’re guilty.
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Were Homosexuals Born That Way? 5 days 4 hours ago #88576

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Ok, I know this is going to be a controversial topic but I've been wondering other Guidsters thoughts on the topic of homosexuality. It's never really come up...
Do you think there will be homosexuals in heaven?
Were homosexuals born gay or was it a choice?
Can you be a true Christian and be gay/ lesbian?

I hope I don't offend anyone. :dry:

1. Yes, definitely there will be former homosexuals in heaven, who were saved.
2. This is a hard question of either nature or nurture. I don't know the answer, all I know is that God can forgive.
3. No, you cannot be a true Christian and serve your fleshy desires. The scriptures say you cannot serve both God and mammon. While some "Christian" groups say you can be a practicing gay and a Christian, they're lying, because then you're not truly saved. A person in God is a new creation, he cannot go back to sin.
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